对比一下福山在2019年和2026年的想法。
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2019年3月25日,Yoshikazu Kato与Francis Fukuyama(弗朗西斯福山)的对话:
加藤:根据您的“历史终结论”,您如何评价苏联解体后中国WQZZ体制的存续? [②] 在您看来,中国将在未来世界ZZ话语的发展中扮演多大的角色?
Kato: How do you evaluate the survival of the authoritarian political system in China since the collapse of the Soviet Union with regard to your “end of history” theory? [②] From your point of view, how much will China factor into the future development of political discourse around the world?
福山:中国对“历史终结论”构成了最严峻的挑战,因为它是一个WQ主义的半资本主义体制,已经掌握了经济现代化的精髓,并且有可能成为世界上最富有、最强大的国家。问题在于,这种体制能否长期持续下去。有很多理由认为它难以持续,首先就是如何应对现代化带来的巨大社会压力。但如果中国能够妥善处理这些压力,并在未来一代人的时间里保持强大和稳定,那么我认为,自由民主之外,实际上存在着一种真正的替代方案。
Fukuyama: China poses the most important challenge to the idea of the end of history, insofar as it is an authoritarian semi-capitalist system that has mastered economic modernization and may become the world's wealthiest and most powerful country. The issue is whether that system is sustainable over the long run. There are a number of reasons for thinking that it is not, beginning with the challenge of dealing with the enormous social stresses that have appeared as a result of modernization. But if China manages these stresses and remains strong and stable for another generation, then I think there is in fact a real alternative to liberal democracy.
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2026年5月9日,Sam Harris 与 Francis Fukuyama(弗朗西斯福山)的对话:
福山:“我认为中国建立了一套非常了不起的体系。它是WQ主义的,是准市场经济的,而且他们在运用新技术方面非常成功。他们有能力创新很多我们以前认为他们做不到的事情。反之,民主,尤其是美国的民主,看起来正在崩溃……如果中国继续保持这种发展势头,最终可能会证明他们拥有一个真正的替代方案。”
Fukuyama: I think that the Chinese have created a pretty impressive system. It is authoritarian. It’s quasi-market-based and they are very successful at marshalling new technology.They’re capable of innovating a lot of things we thought they weren’t able to do. And conversely, democracy, especially American democracy, looks like it’s falling apart … if the Chinese keep their development machine going, it may turn out that they have a real alternative.